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Mar 11, 2012

“Dogmatic Atheist” and Sean throws a tanty.

 

sb10066087r-001I am working my way through a very nicely put together Aurealis 48.  There are experimenting this issue with some graphic art story telling and the non fiction section has me eyeing off some books that I can’t afford.  You really should try it out.

But what’s got me putting finger to keyboard is a throw away line in a very good (far better than mine, in fact) review of Margaret Atwood’s In Other Worlds by Crissetta MacLeod.

It’s possible, nay probable that I am entirely over reacting, but a certain line stuck in my craw1

I enjoyed her exploration of religious literature as part of the genesis of our genre. I was glad that she quoted copiously from Northrop Frye, a hero of mine who specialises in analysing the way biblical phrases and stories permeate everyday English usage. (Your dogmatic atheist will insouciantly mention 'the writing on the wall', or 'throwing the first stone').

I understand what Crisetta is saying; that biblical language infuses our culture to such an extent that even those who might eschew the bible and its teachings will blithely(perhaps ignorantly) use phases that originate in it. And I agree.

But I think it could have been put better with less chance to cause a very minor offense.

Here comes pedantry

If we are going to get careful, even particular, about language then Dogmatic Atheist is a somewhat of a misnomer. Atheism has no Dogma. The label is often used pejoratively by those who wish to poison the well2to disregard an interlocutor’s point of view by putting them “over there with those crazy extremists”.

I, as an atheist still use terms, phrases that originate in religious texts and convention. We all do, and a large part of the population is ignorant as to the origins of commonly used language or phrases.  Much the same as those who hold to the idea that the Bible is the inerrant word of God are largely ignorant of the history and convention that precedes it.

We still, without batting an eyelid use names for the days week that have their origins in the worship of the Norse gods, we celebrate feast days that are tangled up in pagan myth.  I still shout Jesus Christ when I stub my toe3 I still engage in gift giving on December 25th.

I guess what I object to here is that Atheists need to be used as an example here at all.  Western civilisation is one long, rolling amorphous blob, picking up and subsuming many smaller cultures and languages.  My preference would be to be inclusive or at least stay away from terms that have heavy baggage.  [edit]Why shouldn’t a sufficiently well educated Atheist have an appreciation of the literature of the bible, or the the art that it inspired?

And Crisetta, if you’re reading - a great review which I agree entirely with(at least you didn’t use Militant). 

I also recommend that after reading Atwood’s book, interested parties listen to Coode Street’s Episode 71 where Gary, and John talk with Ursula Le Guin about Atwood’s book.

Feel free to discuss the post in the comments.  I feel that I am perhaps somewhat oversensitive to certain labels, being a veteran of the culture wars.


1. Craw is from the old English for throat, its origins are obscure

 2.I don’t for a second think Crisetta is being malicious, I am merely stating that this term has baggage

3. To be honest it’s often in conjunction with some more colourful verbs


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Sean, I think maybe you have on your cranky pants today. You're maybe being a teensy bit pedantic. I suggest some good coffee and a pleasant walk.
cheers, Maree
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lol thanks. Though I do find it interesting how language morphs and changes and how terms are used, misused and come to represent or misrepresent their original usage. I hate the use of the word Militant for example when used in conjunction with things that aren't militant ie Feminism, Atheism. Pro life is another one. All sections of culture/society do it though.
A note on the pod cast link: Apparently Podbean where it is hosted is having technical difficulties today. If you really need to listen to it I have a copy somewhere I think.
Hi Sean,

Let me balance up the comments with a pro rant one :-)

I didn't have the same reaction to the particular line in the review, but I do agree with your general point. Personally, I find it particularly irritating when people equate belief in the scientific method (which has a self correcting mechanism built into its core) with dogmatic belief (which will not admit error no matter the evidence).

However, this led to me spending the better part of my 20s being constantly irritated. Over the course of my 30s I've tried not to let it bother me as much. And as my 40s rapidly approach I don't think I'll have enough time to be too agitated over the next decade or two.

However, I am looking forward to my 60s, when I intend to start writing letters to the editor on the subject, or directing curmudgeonly thoughts in the direction of the World Wide Thought Web, or whatever passes for social commentary in the 2030s.

So until that glorious day I'l restrict myself to saying "sing it to the mountain brother".

Oops.

-m

My recent post Aurealis #48 (March 2012)
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I am pretty sure that Crisetta wasn't intending any offense. I did find it ironic though that the term was used in a review that focuses in the origin certain phrases.

Oh and Maree K has withdrawn her objection above via twitter. Seems she came across the the term Militant Atheist in the newspaper this morning and caught my grumpiness.

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