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Jun 18, 2012

Continuum 8 There and Back Again (Troisième partie)

or part three if you prefer.

Day 2 of the convention dawned with a light drizzle.  My headache had departed along with any chance of getting breakfast before rushing off to the con. 

I managed to make it to the con just as Take the pebble from my hand, a panel on mentoring for writers was beginning.  It was both an interesting panel to listen to, featuring three mentors and one mentee, and packed with some good resources.

2012-06-09 10.19.50Next I attended the Masters of Podcasting (an interesting title considering that two of the panellists were female members of some of the most popular Australian specfic podcasts). 

Terry Frost of Paleo-Cinema podcast declared that fanzines were dead as a large part of Fandom.  Jonathan Strahan then went on to say that the podcast was the lazy persons(perhaps time challenged) fanzine. 

Much talk was had on the ease of production, distribution and consumption of podcasts i.e. Jonathan rolls out of bed conducts a structured ramble with Gary K Wolfe, uploads without editing and it’s done.  Listeners then download and listen to it while they exercise/drive/do chores – a process that takes a fraction of time for all parties concerned, compared to the production and consumption of fanzines.

Next was Fans & Faith which was “advertised” as Religion often frowns upon science fiction…how do the panellists reconcile their passion with their faith.  It turned out to be more about how panellists felt isolated or misleadingly portrayed by the science fiction community. Either way, as a an atheist it was interesting to observe. 

There were a couple of times I winced as comments were directed at atheists but for the most part it was good discussion – I attended in the spirit of understanding.  Ian Mond made some excellent points about the portrayal of Jewish and Islamic characters, the specifics of which elude me now. 

There was some heated discussion when an audience member raised a badly framed question about the scientific method being antithetical to religion.  He framed it badly and the panel was defensive, which was a pity because I think it gets to the crux of the matter.  How do the scientifically minded religious deal with doctrinal/dogmatic interference in science. 

The minister sitting on the panel seemed a bit blinded in her appreciation for the power religion held in chilling science when it’s ethically dubious, but not when it might hold up advances that are beneficial i.e. eugenics versus say birth control.

I wanted to ask the panel if they saw Christianity as a solid cohesive belief structure(it’s not in my experience - there are some 3000 Christian sects) and saw attacks or misrepresentations as an attack on all Christians or an attack on a particular type?  Is there a tendency to close ranks, in other words?

All in all though a good talk that got me thinking.

2012-06-09 14.49.54After introducing myself to the Ditmar Winning Ian Mond I hightailed it over to the Galactic Suburbia live podcast (mentioned here).

Wanting to support some of the new and old talent that had been published in Fablecroft’s Epilogue I arrived to a rather empty room to hear David McDonald, Steve Cameron, Jo Anderton and Dirk Flinthart read.  I was the only audience member so we adjourned to the Bar.  I still got all their signatures though.

2012-06-09 17.05.44From then on I was involved in helping Twelfth Planet Press carry stuff down to the Writer & The Critic recording at my friend Warren’s bookstore – Embiggen Books.  The result of which you can listen to here.

From then on it was a quick drink at The Moat followed by a Greek restaurant for dinner.

And somehow I ended up back at the Convention bar and had the good fortune to listen wide-eyed as Jonathan Strahan and Robin M Pen held an informal panel on Australian Sci-Fi with me as the only audience member.


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Sue Bursztynski · 664 weeks ago

You spent a lot of time at the bar! ;) actually, I suspect the bar is the alternative con at any convention. I went a few times, but not for long and I had a cuppa instead of alcohol. Probably alcohol would have been better than paying $4.50 for a tea bag and a mug of hot water! Pity so few people turned up for the Fablecroft reading. Tehani does a terrific book and Dirk and Jo are both folk I know well from ASIM. When was that? FWIW, I don't think the readings got much of an audience at all. I did one Sunday and according to Jack Dann, who was also doing it, we were up against the memorial for Paul Haines. The audience was four, the same as the panel, but we read anyway.
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Surprisingly I drank very little alcohol, mainlining lattes for the most part. Besides, with the chronic under staffing of the bar, the turnaround time on drinks was about 30 mins at the best of times.
And I was chasing you with the promised chocolate from Ganache! I ended up sharing it with Gillian, Jo Anderton and one or two others and gave the last two to George Ivanoff. Oh, well, they all appreciated it anyway.
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Sue Bursztynski · 664 weeks ago

Never mind, next time we'll exchange phone numbers properly, it will make it easier to find you with theobromidal offerings . :) . BTW, my brother is a big fan of Terry Frst's podcasts.
The issue was accessing my emails on the phone, took me about 30 mins and then had to find a pen and write it on my hand
As an evangelical (Bible reading/believing, with all the usual caveats about understanding that there are different genres within it), I do absolutely believe that Christianity has at its core a solid cohesion: it's Christ as Son, sent by the Father to be fully human and God, to save humans from their sins. However, at the same time I know sinful humanity has splintered in its understanding of that, and how it is/can/should be lived out. That said, I don't think that misrepresentations of Christianity can overall be taken as an attack on all of Christianity. I think sometimes it's an attack on Catholicism, as still the most obvious representatives of Christianity to many non-Christians (the number of times I've had to explain Christian/Catholic/Protestant to teenagers is amazing) and also the most obvious group from history, and sadly in the modern media. As much as there is a lack of Jews in space, to use Mondy's phrase, you don't often find Anglicans in space either! I think sometimes 'Christian' is sometimes used as a placeholder for 'religious', too, particularly by white Western authors who would feel uncomfortable about attacking 'superstition' via Islam or Judaism for (rightful) fear of judgement.

Wasn't The Moat and the Greek brilliant?? (well, the company anyway)
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" I think sometimes it's an attack on Catholicism, as still the most obvious representatives of Christianity to many non-Christians ....and also the most obvious group from history, and sadly in the modern media."

I think this is a good point. Though to be fair the RCC (the institution) does warrant criticism and contempt for the industrial scale harm it continues to promulgate. That being said it has to be done well in fiction because it has been done to death (to the point where I wonder if its better to just take action directly and through non-fiction). You have read Song of the Earth haven't you? Particularly bad drag and drop of Catholicism.

Your point about Anglican's is duly noted :)

" I think sometimes 'Christian' is sometimes used as a placeholder for 'religious', too, particularly by white Western authors who would feel uncomfortable about attacking 'superstition' via Islam or Judaism for (rightful) fear of judgement. "

I think there's a number of things that contribute to the concentration on Christianity.
a) the familiarity of the religion to the author
b) the audience of the author
c) criticism of religion tends to come from the liberal left which can have a "hands off approach" to other cultures

I loved the atmosphere at the Moat but was a little frustrated by the meals at the Greek ie they forgot my Baklava order. But yes the company was very good.
Oh yes - the food at the Greek place wasn't overwhelming, but they were certainly at least moderately accommodating, for which I am thankful... the not getting orders right was a bit sad.

I read the first half of Song of Earth and got irritated by its depiction of the church, and the fact that she didn't really even bother to hide what she was doing. Have no intention of going back :)

You own points on why the concentration on Christianity are spot on, and relate I think to Mondy's question about why there are no/few orthodox Jews in space. Also, Christianity's perceived history of connection to colonialism and oppression also helps to make it an easy target.
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Re Song of the Earth: I though it was very lazy worldbuilding, surprised the editor let that through - ticked me off and I am an ex catholic with no love of the RCC. The rest of it is an okay fantasy story.

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